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		<title>Comment on VLE versus PLE &#8211; not dead yet? by R.I.P. VLE &#38; LMS? &#171; Neil Hopkin&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.I.P. VLE &#38; LMS? &#171; Neil Hopkin&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Why didn&#8217;t the dinosaurs die out? by jamesnicholls</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamesnicholls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be all for getting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Politics-Alcohol-History-Question-England/dp/0719077052/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1250154344&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my book&lt;/a&gt; published this way (see what a great marketing job is being done on it!).  The £60 price tag both excludes almost anyone without a book budget and sends the wrong messages about who the book is written for.  The problem is that without gaining the imprimatur (and funding) of a recognised academic body in advance, authors have to rely on conventional publishers to facilitate the peer-review process which remains the one thing that distinguishes conventional academic publishing from simply publishing all your work as a blog, and subjecting it to peer review that way.  The RAE isn&#039;t about to recognise that as a valid measure of quality any time soon (I imagine), and academic publishers need to cover their costs.  Maybe the way forward is to prepare funding bids for research with online outcomes rather than write book proposals to academic publishers.  At least funding bodies are guaranteed to reply!  I&#039;d be happy to forgo the dubious pleasure of working with an academic press again, and I&#039;d also be happy to swap a couple of hundred quid for the knowledge that students and the general public can actually get hold of my work.  

But then again, to misquote Anthony Powell, pixels don&#039;t furnish a room.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be all for getting <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Politics-Alcohol-History-Question-England/dp/0719077052/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1250154344&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">my book</a> published this way (see what a great marketing job is being done on it!).  The £60 price tag both excludes almost anyone without a book budget and sends the wrong messages about who the book is written for.  The problem is that without gaining the imprimatur (and funding) of a recognised academic body in advance, authors have to rely on conventional publishers to facilitate the peer-review process which remains the one thing that distinguishes conventional academic publishing from simply publishing all your work as a blog, and subjecting it to peer review that way.  The RAE isn&#8217;t about to recognise that as a valid measure of quality any time soon (I imagine), and academic publishers need to cover their costs.  Maybe the way forward is to prepare funding bids for research with online outcomes rather than write book proposals to academic publishers.  At least funding bodies are guaranteed to reply!  I&#8217;d be happy to forgo the dubious pleasure of working with an academic press again, and I&#8217;d also be happy to swap a couple of hundred quid for the knowledge that students and the general public can actually get hold of my work.  </p>
<p>But then again, to misquote Anthony Powell, pixels don&#8217;t furnish a room&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why didn&#8217;t the dinosaurs die out? by Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Keeping research locked away by Web 2.0 tools in teaching and learning &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Peer reviewed funded publications online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 tools in teaching and learning &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Peer reviewed funded publications online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 tools in teaching and learning &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Peer reviewed funded publications online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Second Life in Education by Web 2.0 tools in teaching and learning &#187; Blog Archive &#187; E-learning on Radio 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 tools in teaching and learning &#187; Blog Archive &#187; E-learning on Radio 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on About by Web 2.0 tools in teaching and learning &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Workshops</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 tools in teaching and learning &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Workshops</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on How can VLEs survive? by hear1</title>
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		<dc:creator>hear1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to say that hear1 is Roger Heaton.</description>
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		<title>Comment on How can VLEs survive? by hear1</title>
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		<dc:creator>hear1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just going back to the research online issue you may be interested in a new book by the distinguished British musicologist Daniel Leech-Wilkinson (King&#039;s College London) who has just published his most recent book freely available online. The Changing Sound of Music: Approaches to Studying Recorded Musical Performances (London: CHARM, 2009) is available at www.charm.kcl.ac.uk/studies/chapters/intro.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just going back to the research online issue you may be interested in a new book by the distinguished British musicologist Daniel Leech-Wilkinson (King&#8217;s College London) who has just published his most recent book freely available online. The Changing Sound of Music: Approaches to Studying Recorded Musical Performances (London: CHARM, 2009) is available at <a href="http://www.charm.kcl.ac.uk/studies/chapters/intro.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.charm.kcl.ac.uk/studies/chapters/intro.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on How can VLEs survive? by meganpoore</title>
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		<dc:creator>meganpoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another insightful post, Joe :)

We are currently tackling these issues at my university and, as such, we’ve become very familiar with various providers’ Terms of Service! We’ve been working through many issues to do with risk, liability, business robustness and lots more.

In dealing with IP and copyright, however, we are sure to choose providers that allow users to retain their rights; as Joe says, check out Google … and WordPress and Wetpaint and Ning etc.: they all allow you to retain your copyright and your IP, which we think is important. What they ask for is a sub-licence (or non-exclusive licence) to your IP so that they can display, publish, adapt, translate, etc. your work. If you think about it, this makes sense, as you can’t use the service unless the service has the right to display etc. your work! When it comes to ‘adapting and translating’, again, all that means is that if the service provides a translation facility (as does Google), then, of course, your work might be subjected to that facility by another user. Similarly, if the service had to alter its back-end display defaults (or whatever), then that would count as an adaptation. Reading a Terms of Service is one thing; understanding it is quite another, but it is important that these things &gt;areexclusive&lt; licence to the staff member’s IP, as it does in my institution (our University also takes certain types of copyright from a staff member, but that’s getting down to tin-tacks). Our staff can apply to the DVC for a special exemption but currently there are no automatic approval processes in place to get this exemption in the case of educational use. But we’re working on that ;)

The attitude of our Legal Office seems to be one of ‘it’s here, we’ve got to deal with it, so let’s find ways of keeping the university as safe as we can from risk and liability’, which I think is healthy. What is not so healthy, imo, is either of these approaches: 1) “I don’t understand it, so let’s try to control it by shutting it down” and, 2) “What could possibly go wrong? I’m the teacher and going rogue and bugger the high-ups”. From my perspective, these tools provide us now with ways of engaging students that have for years (let’s go back to Dewey …) been recognised as good pedagogy. To my mind, we therefore have a moral obligation to find ways of making this stuff work — it can’t all just be too hard for us.

As Joe points out, you can start to make thing safe for staff, students and the institution by providing a disclaimer document to users. We are also giving users full briefings on what the Terms of Service that they are signing up for actually mean — and we are doing lots more besides.

Check out some of these links

http://web2survivalguide.wordpress.com/ (especially the ‘important considerations’ area)

http://educationinnovators.ning.com/ (a project I’m currently wrapping up where you can see how some teachers I’m working with are starting to deal with these issues. You can also look at Real Live Examples of student blogs, wikis, social networks etc. by accessing the ‘Members’ sites’ on the left-hand side)

http://www.vp.is.ed.ac.uk/Web_2.0_Initiative/Guidelines (The University of Edinburgh’s guide to all this stuff. We’re working on a similar document at my institution)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another insightful post, Joe <img src='http://bathspaweb2.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We are currently tackling these issues at my university and, as such, we’ve become very familiar with various providers’ Terms of Service! We’ve been working through many issues to do with risk, liability, business robustness and lots more.</p>
<p>In dealing with IP and copyright, however, we are sure to choose providers that allow users to retain their rights; as Joe says, check out Google … and WordPress and Wetpaint and Ning etc.: they all allow you to retain your copyright and your IP, which we think is important. What they ask for is a sub-licence (or non-exclusive licence) to your IP so that they can display, publish, adapt, translate, etc. your work. If you think about it, this makes sense, as you can’t use the service unless the service has the right to display etc. your work! When it comes to ‘adapting and translating’, again, all that means is that if the service provides a translation facility (as does Google), then, of course, your work might be subjected to that facility by another user. Similarly, if the service had to alter its back-end display defaults (or whatever), then that would count as an adaptation. Reading a Terms of Service is one thing; understanding it is quite another, but it is important that these things &gt;areexclusive&lt; licence to the staff member’s IP, as it does in my institution (our University also takes certain types of copyright from a staff member, but that’s getting down to tin-tacks). Our staff can apply to the DVC for a special exemption but currently there are no automatic approval processes in place to get this exemption in the case of educational use. But we’re working on that <img src='http://bathspaweb2.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The attitude of our Legal Office seems to be one of ‘it’s here, we’ve got to deal with it, so let’s find ways of keeping the university as safe as we can from risk and liability’, which I think is healthy. What is not so healthy, imo, is either of these approaches: 1) “I don’t understand it, so let’s try to control it by shutting it down” and, 2) “What could possibly go wrong? I’m the teacher and going rogue and bugger the high-ups”. From my perspective, these tools provide us now with ways of engaging students that have for years (let’s go back to Dewey …) been recognised as good pedagogy. To my mind, we therefore have a moral obligation to find ways of making this stuff work — it can’t all just be too hard for us.</p>
<p>As Joe points out, you can start to make thing safe for staff, students and the institution by providing a disclaimer document to users. We are also giving users full briefings on what the Terms of Service that they are signing up for actually mean — and we are doing lots more besides.</p>
<p>Check out some of these links</p>
<p><a href="http://web2survivalguide.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://web2survivalguide.wordpress.com/</a> (especially the ‘important considerations’ area)</p>
<p><a href="http://educationinnovators.ning.com/" rel="nofollow">http://educationinnovators.ning.com/</a> (a project I’m currently wrapping up where you can see how some teachers I’m working with are starting to deal with these issues. You can also look at Real Live Examples of student blogs, wikis, social networks etc. by accessing the ‘Members’ sites’ on the left-hand side)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vp.is.ed.ac.uk/Web_2.0_Initiative/Guidelines" rel="nofollow">http://www.vp.is.ed.ac.uk/Web_2.0_Initiative/Guidelines</a> (The University of Edinburgh’s guide to all this stuff. We’re working on a similar document at my institution)</p>
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